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Rick - 2004-10-12 23:41:13
Awesome. You know, if you ever want to run off to Vegas and get married, let me know and I'll meet you there. ;) Seriously though, that was a great vid and if you have any problems with flamers, just send them my way ... I got your back . :)
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Co-Worker - 2004-10-12 23:51:37
So Beth, when is you Employeer going to stop taking advantage of you skills,(as an Editor) you are such a nice person you just don't know how to say no. But I beileve they know that. They should just hire you full time. Stop giving them you talents for FREE. We all know that the chump they got ain't shit. Why do you even help that guy?. good luck to you.
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BigpimpinMBA - 2004-10-13 08:27:15
How dare you try to insinuate that the Democratic National Nominee has been anything by straight on the issues? I mean, the Dems went through all the trouble of having a convention and nominating him... And yet you mock.

I'm going to go join the D-Land "Sarcasm" ring now.
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invisibledon - 2004-10-13 09:15:04
interesting stuff
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Gary - 2004-10-13 15:15:58
If you think Bush is any better, then you just haven't done your homework. Here's a sampling: Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it. Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it. Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it. Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it. Bush is against nation building; then he's for it. Bush is against deficits; then he's for them. Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again. Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State. Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution. Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't. Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island. Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding. Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have. Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team. Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
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beth - 2004-10-13 15:18:50
gary! where have you been dude?
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Gary - 2004-10-13 16:49:10
I haven't gone anywhere, B-Mo! I still check in on you every day (yes, I have no life), I just haven't been commenting much. I'm glad to see you're feeling better though and that you're getting jobs doing what you love, and as always, I wish you the very best... Bush supporter or not ;)
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Beth - 2004-10-13 16:56:17
aww thanks gary :) that means a lot.
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Joshua Allen Bennett - 2004-10-13 17:42:58
gary, what interview did Bush actually say "I don't know where he is, I have no idea and I realy don't care" I might be dumb but I don't remember seeing or hearing Bush say that and since you put quotes around it I am guessing it is an exact quote from somewhere... I just want to educate myself and know where that was from
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Gary - 2004-10-13 18:31:40
Joshua, though paraphrased a bit, it looks like it came from the White House's website: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html (From an interrview on March 13, 2002, when asked about Bin Laden) Bush: So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. And Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? Bush: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. Contrast that with this, from Sept 17, 2001: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden is the "prime suspect" in last Tuesday's terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and the United States wants to capture him , President Bush said Monday. Speaking with reporters after a Pentagon briefing on plans to call up reserve troops, Bush offered some of his most blunt language to date when he was asked if he wanted bin Laden dead. "I want justice," Bush said. "And there's an old poster out West… I recall, that said, 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.'"
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Gary - 2004-10-13 18:36:46
So he didn't actually say "I don't know where he is, I have no idea and I really don't care", he said "I don't know where he is", "Again, I don't know where he is", and "I truly am not that concerned about him." I don't know why the person I got the text from had to go and misqote him (grrrr!), but it still means the same.
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Rick - 2004-10-13 19:12:16
Saying "I don't care" and "I'm not concerned" are two different things. The first one is, {I'm not interested in knowing what he's up to and where's he's at}, the other one is {I'm not worried that he personnaly poses a threat to us at the moment because we have a war to fight ... }. But, I've been accused of being an idiot so I could be wrong ............ or am I.....? hmmmmm........... :)
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Gary - 2004-10-13 19:47:21
Rick, even taking it your way shows just how much his position has changed from Bin Laden being a top priority, someone who must to be brought to justice for the 9/11 attacks, to Bin Laden being someone Bush isn't worried about because he personally doesn't pose a threat to us right now. Perhaps Bush's postion now is the correct course, who knows, but this is precisely why I get bothered with all of this "flip-flopping" crap. I don't like the "flip-flopper" label that Bush and the Republicans have pinned on Kerry, especially when Bush is guilty of the same thing. It's hypocritical and it's stupid. I don't think either of them should be labelled as such. I mean, if you make a bad decision, isn't it smarter to correct yourself than to continue on doing the wrong thing? The "flip-flopper" label is just a political smear tool, nothing more.
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Joshua Allen Bennett - 2004-10-13 22:00:10
Yea I sort of agree with Gary on this one. the "flip flop" label is a little hard to swallow since we are talking about polics here...one can even say it is their duty to flip-flop do a certain degree, depending on what the people they respresent change their mind...But on that note, The problem I have with Kerry's Flip Flopping is how fast he changed his mind in such a small time span. He was pro Iraq war a couple months ago. He was on the intellicence committee that looked at the same information Bush looked at.. Bush acted on the that same information. Kerry is lucky becuase he gets to be the role of the being the monday quaterback.. The fact remains the intellience committee believed Iraq had WMD, Iraq blocked over 15+ UN sancations. the last sancation had a clause giving him one last chance or else.. Saddaem called our bluff, we kept our word..He lost the bet.. Now we know that Saddeum didn't have WMD... but having mass graves, genocide and touturing Iraq Olympicans who didn't earn a metal...you have to agree that Saddaem himeself was a weapon of mass murder..
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Gary - 2004-10-13 22:37:21
The intelligence on Iraq is debatable as well. Members of the intelligence community say the Bush administration "cherry-picked" the intelligence, selectively choosing intelligence assessments that cast Iraq in a negative light. If that is indeed true, then Kerry and the other Senators were given misleading intelligence to base their decisions on. Members of Bush's own administration have come out saying that Bush planned on using the attacks on 9/11 to invade Iraq all along. Clearly, there are things that happened behind the scenes that are questionable. Coincidentally, during the debate tonight, Bush denied ever saying "I truly am not that concerned about him" (speaking of Bin Laden), which I quoted from him earlier (off the White House's website).
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Joshua Bennett - 2004-10-14 01:00:31
haha yea I know when I was watched that part, I quickly looked up the name "Gary" to see if you part of the Kerry Debate Team ;).... ... The thing that I don't really understand is if people are really serious when they say "Bush is misleading america" how come they don't try to empeach sp? him? There was a debate about that very topic during Meet the Press I belive (not sure the excact show) and the democract spokesman said they don't want to go that route because congress is controlled by the republicans so it is a waste of there time... first off Republicans barely hold onto control, second since when it is a waste of time to actually stand up and fight for what you believe in, no matter if you think your going to lose, if you honestly feel a certain way then attempt to correct it... For me the fact nobody has tried to impeach Bush, it looks like it is just talk..please note I am not saying you are lying Gary ;)
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Gary - 2004-10-14 03:52:20
Joshua, before I answer, let me say that it's nice how we've been able to talk politics here on Beth's page without anyone resorting to flaming, that speaks volumes about the people who come to Beth's page. Ok... for an example of an impeachable offense, there was a clear-cut "misappropriation of funds" when the Bush administration diverted Congress-approved money for the war in Afghanistan to planning the war in Iraq, which is illegal. But with all that's going on right now, with our troops fighting battles on two fronts, with the country so divided, with Americans still worrying about another terrorist attack on American soil, and with Bush carrying the support of half the country, would pursuing an impeachment at this time really be a smart move, politically? It's a complex political situation and there just are no easy answers, I'm afraid. My opinion on the matter is that, proceeding with an impeachment at this time could easily backfire in the Democrats faces, in a big way. There may also be national security issues involved as well, since intelligence information would have to be used as evidence. That's my opinion on the subject, I could be wrong.
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Joshua Allen Bennett - 2004-10-14 18:20:33
Yes I agree with the reasoning for no impeachment for it is the right thing to do for the country. even though I believe President Bush has done nothing wrong and the impeachment would not go through, but if you go with that reasoning then you can't go and turn around and tell our troops that the war they are fighting is a not a 'correct war' that isn't what is the correct thing for the country at this particular time...sometimes I Think about if my son died in Iraq later next year and President Kerry is in the white house. What should I think of Kerry when he put my son in harms way on a war he doesn't believe in? How can one be a commander-in-cheif, continute to fight in a war that he doesn't believe in.. How can kerry say this war with Iraq is wrong and based on wrong information but then ask french and german to give Iraq troops to help fight the war? Kerry can't have it both ways... Bush and Powell have recentrly said that the infromation about WMD was wrong but they still believe the war in Iraq is still just and having a free Iraq will be good for our country.... one more thing.. We are no longer in a war against Iraq we won that war. we are in a war against terrorism, that just so happens to be currently fought IN Iraq. and to be honest, I rather fight the war outside our borders.. since after all I work a stone throws away from the pentagon :)
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Joshua Allen Bennett - 2004-10-14 18:20:33
Yes I agree with the reasoning for no impeachment for it is the right thing to do for the country. even though I believe President Bush has done nothing wrong and the impeachment would not go through, but if you go with that reasoning then you can't go and turn around and tell our troops that the war they are fighting is a not a 'correct war' that isn't what is the correct thing for the country at this particular time...sometimes I Think about if my son died in Iraq later next year and President Kerry is in the white house. What should I think of Kerry when he put my son in harms way on a war he doesn't believe in? How can one be a commander-in-cheif, continute to fight in a war that he doesn't believe in.. How can kerry say this war with Iraq is wrong and based on wrong information but then ask french and german to give Iraq troops to help fight the war? Kerry can't have it both ways... Bush and Powell have recentrly said that the infromation about WMD was wrong but they still believe the war in Iraq is still just and having a free Iraq will be good for our country.... one more thing.. We are no longer in a war against Iraq we won that war. we are in a war against terrorism, that just so happens to be currently fought IN Iraq. and to be honest, I rather fight the war outside our borders.. since after all I work a stone throws away from the pentagon :)
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Joshua Allen Bennett - 2004-10-14 18:20:33
Yes I agree with the reasoning for no impeachment for it is the right thing to do for the country. even though I believe President Bush has done nothing wrong and the impeachment would not go through, but if you go with that reasoning then you can't go and turn around and tell our troops that the war they are fighting is a not a 'correct war' that isn't what is the correct thing for the country at this particular time...sometimes I Think about if my son died in Iraq later next year and President Kerry is in the white house. What should I think of Kerry when he put my son in harms way on a war he doesn't believe in? How can one be a commander-in-cheif, continute to fight in a war that he doesn't believe in.. How can kerry say this war with Iraq is wrong and based on wrong information but then ask french and german to give Iraq troops to help fight the war? Kerry can't have it both ways... Bush and Powell have recentrly said that the infromation about WMD was wrong but they still believe the war in Iraq is still just and having a free Iraq will be good for our country.... one more thing.. We are no longer in a war against Iraq we won that war. we are in a war against terrorism, that just so happens to be currently fought IN Iraq. and to be honest, I rather fight the war outside our borders.. since after all I work a stone throws away from the pentagon :)
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Beth - 2004-10-14 18:27:57
yes, but do you agree with the reasoning for no impeachment? I'm confused on your position.
(j/k)
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Joshua Allen Bennett - 2004-10-14 18:51:53
you serious, I wrote it out three times for everyone.. how can you be confused? haha... seriously why did it show up so many times? :)
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Gary - 2004-10-14 19:59:09
My dad was a Vietnam veteran, and one of the hardest things he had to deal with was coming home from the war and having people spit on him and call him a "baby killer". We've learned from Vietnam, that you have to support the warrior even though you don't support the war. John Kerry knows that firsthand. What he's said about Iraq is that, now that we're comitted over there, we have to follow through with our mission. Colin Powell also told the President that: "If you break it, you bought it". We have to finish what we started, but that doesn't make Bush's decisions about how we got there correct. We need to gain international support to help cover the costs of the mission, it's abundantly clear that this won't happen with Bush. At least Kerry has a chance of gaining international support, Bush has none. In fact, we've lost support (including Poland). Kerry said we have to strengthen security here at home. This is vital. If we're stronger at home, we won't need to fight so hard abroad. You say you're glad to have a terrorist battleground in Iraq, but you're not thinking about anyone but yourself. Do you think Iraqi citizens deserve to have our war against terrorism fought in their cities? Besides, as long as we're losing American lives over there, American families are still going to suffer. The most important thing to consider is: when does the War on Terror end? You simply can't defeat terrorism because terrorism is a vague enemy, a concept, you can't pin it down on a map. As long as we are over there, there will always be a resistance to us, hence more and more terrorists out for American blood. It will not end until we exit. Kerry understands this, Bush doesn't. You have to look at the issues from all sides before buying into what one side tells you. From reading what you wrote there, it's obvious that you've absorbed a lot of what the Bush administration has put out there without logically thinking it through. I understand that though, I mean we're *supposed* to trust our President. That's how I was brought up, anyway. Unfortunately, it's just too dangerous a world to do that blindly anymore. I am an independant, but I am supporting Kerry this time out because I think he will put us back on the right track and take us out of the Valley of Fear. Fear is anti-freedom.
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Gary - 2004-10-14 20:04:17
Joshua, my apologies if I came across condescendingly in my last post. I can see where I might have, but I certainly didn't mean to. I should have chosen my words a little better.
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Gary - 2004-10-14 21:01:38
Joshua, if you haven't seen this yet, you should check it out: http://factcheck.org/article269.html It explains Kerry's view on the war in Iraq a little better and shows how Bush has distorted the facts. I recommend going to the main page and checking out everything they have to say. FactCheck.org is a non-partisan group and they expose the lies and misleading "facts" coming from the candidates, BOTH candidates. Neither have been entirely truthful with the American people. The site covers factual errors from all of the debates and TV ads, plus more. This site is essential for sorting through the BS. Strangely enough, Dick Cheney mentioned this site during his debate with John Edwards. It's strange because it also covers the lies and distortions from their debate too, uncovering some Cheney doozies. With that, I am bowing out of further political discussion on this thread. I'd rather read more funny from Beth than any more political discussion, that's why I come here and I'm sure many of you feel the same. Peace.
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Joshua Allen Bennett - 2004-10-14 22:32:38
no need to apology there Gary, no harm taken... I have been to that site even though when Chenney stated the site in the debate, he said it wrong, I knew what he was talking about... I do understand the war on terriosm is simply concept.. much like the war on drugs... I didn't mean for it to sound selfish saying that 'our' war againist terriosm shouldn't be on our ground. that wasn't my point.. If the terriost had an 9/11 attack against Iraq I would just as bad/sad as I need when they attacked us and when they attacked and killed the children in the Russian school not that long ago... but all serious aside I think the biggest thing I have with Kerry is his haircut, I don't really like it but I have to be honest it is alot better then the one the barber gave me a week ago... have a good one Gary, and Beth bring on the funny :)
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